Tacoma vs. new Ranger

The whole kicker is that the 390 made it's torque a full 2000 rpm lower than the Toyota, WHERE YOU NEED IT.
 
Bogun, If you don't like the uncertainty of owning an older 4wd vehicle,the next time you are 500 miles from the nearest Toyota dealer and you wonder what you would do if your cam sensor went south and your 4 valves per cylinder just at #4 piston...or if your engine computer takes a chitt in the middle of nowhere. Electronic stuff either works..or leaves you stranded. There are damn few warnings with it.

On the other hand, take a spare distributor cap, rotor, points and condensor along with a straight and phillips screwdriver and an open end wrench and you can take the water out of the carb filter, dry the distributor out or replace a defective set of points or condensor on the side of the road.
 
Joisey said:
Bogun, If you don't like the uncertainty of owning an older 4wd vehicle,the next time you are 500 miles from the nearest Toyota dealer and you wonder what you would do if your cam sensor went south and your 4 valves per cylinder just at #4 piston...or if your engine computer takes a chitt in the middle of nowhere. Electronic stuff either works..or leaves you stranded. There are damn few warnings with it.

On the other hand, take a spare distributor cap, rotor, points and condensor along with a straight and phillips screwdriver and an open end wrench and you can take the water out of the carb filter, dry the distributor out or replace a defective set of points or condensor on the side of the road.
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I’m with ya man. I know where you’re coming from. I’ve spent more than my time under a hood working on them. I even went to school for two years for automotive technology. I am more than confident to turn a wrench on a older vehicle.
My point is that I like the creature comforts and the fact that if it breaks they gotta fix it. And give me another vehicle to putter around in. As for me, right now in my life, I enjoy my very capable truck with all the extras.
I plan on getting an old 4x4 to rebuild from the ground up. BUT not right now when I work 12 hour shifts in a supervisory role and have a young kid and grass to mow. That’s a dream that will be realized in the future.
For me right now in my life, I need the ability for Toyota to pick it up and fix it. While I’m in a rental/loaner. Even if it’s 500 miles from the middle of nowhere.
 
Joisey said:
Bogun, If you don't like the uncertainty of owning an older 4wd vehicle,the next time you are 500 miles from the nearest Toyota dealer and you wonder what you would do if your cam sensor went south and your 4 valves per cylinder just at #4 piston...or if your engine computer takes a chitt in the middle of nowhere. Electronic stuff either works..or leaves you stranded. There are damn few warnings with it.

On the other hand, take a spare distributor cap, rotor, points and condensor along with a straight and phillips screwdriver and an open end wrench and you can take the water out of the carb filter, dry the distributor out or replace a defective set of points or condensor on the side of the road.
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If you don’t want to read the long explanation: I’m capable of doing the work (especially on older vehicles) but I’m not willing. Too busy at this point in my life.
 
Joisey said:
By comparison, my 1990 F150 4wd, 302 V8, 5 speed stick got 15 highway maximum. I had to downshift to go up steep hills on my trip to WV. My 3.5 liter V6 2008 Tacoma spent most of it's time between third and fourth gear on the trip to WV, returning 13 mpg, tops, with rpms running as high as 4200. My 1968 F250 stick with the 390 gave me 18 highway

The 1968 F250 with the 390 put out 255 hp @ 4400 rpm and 376 ft pounds @ 2600 rpm. and weighed 5000 pounds. 18 mpg to WV
The 90 Ford F150 with the 302 put out 145 hp @ 3200 rpm and 265 ft pounds of torque @ 2000 rpm and weighed 4887 pounds. 15 mpg to WV. That truck couldn't pass another vehicle if it were standing still. It was truly a gutless wonder.

My 2018 Toyota is 213.5 cubing inches, and puts out 278 hp@ 6000 rpm and 265 ft pounds of torque @ 4600 rpm.and weighs 4196 pounds. 13 mpg to WV.

The 1968 F250 was as aerodynamic as a house, had an engine that was 29% more cubic inches than the 1990 pickup, but got 17% better gas mileage and was not equipped with an overdrive transmission like the 1990 Ford, while outweighing it by 13 pounds and had no radial tires on it, which roll easier.

The 1968 F250 has an engine that has 54% more cubic inches than the Toyota, weighs 400 pounds more, is less aerodynamic, has no radial tires or overdrive, but gets 28% better fuel mileage. You don't even want to compare performance. Or total lack in need of downshift to top a steep hill in order to keep up with traffic.

So, where has all the 9000 sensors and all of the supposed 'technological advancement' gotten us?
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The green one was my dd for many many years. Most of it was with a 91 mustang 5.0 with a 350cfm 2bbl Holley and a point distributor with the Mallory module in it. 3 on the tree, 2.75 gears, drove it about 400 miles per week and got 19mpg religiously... got 20 occasionally, 15 when I felt like airing it out a few times... I checked it every week because it never had a working fuel gauge the 15 years or so that I drove it.

The blue one I only drove for a few months before giving it to Dad, I put lots of work into a 351M and swear I'll never go through that again but it worked really well. It'll run like a spotted ape (ever seen one? Quick ain't they?) and still got 15-16mpg on a couple road trips...

I'm not sure what all the govt regulations have done for our trucks either...

But I will say that you should look into the OV tune... made my truck make me smile... 20190102_120542.jpegIMG_3715.jpeg
 
Crawdad said:
The green one was my dd for many many years. Most of it was with a 91 mustang 5.0 with a 350cfm 2bbl Holley and a point distributor with the Mallory module in it. 3 on the tree, 2.75 gears, drove it about 400 miles per week and got 19mpg religiously... got 20 occasionally, 15 when I felt like airing it out a few times... I checked it every week because it never had a working fuel gauge the 15 years or so that I drove it.

The blue one I only drove for a few months before giving it to Dad, I put lots of work into a 351M and swear I'll never go through that again but it worked really well. It'll run like a spotted ape (ever seen one? Quick ain't they?) and still got 15-16mpg on a couple road trips...

I'm not sure what all the govt regulations have done for our trucks either...

But I will say that you should look into the OV tune... made my truck make me smile... View attachment 25068View attachment 25069
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My dad had a 7? F250. Had a 390, 3 speed auto and 4wd. I wish I could have restored it. It was his daily for about 4 or 5 years. Probably got 10mpg downhill. He'd always be dicking around with the points. This was before electronic replacements in like 1998-2001.

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whippersnapper02 said:
My dad had a 7? F250. Had a 390, 3 speed auto and 4wd. I wish I could have restored it. It was his daily for about 4 or 5 years. Probably got 10mpg downhill. He'd always be dicking around with the points. This was before electronic replacements in like 1998-2001.

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Nice, Dad has a 73, about the same truck. Been growing stuff on it for a decade or so. Took all 4 limbs and some help to steer it... [emoji23]
 
I hope that everyone doesn't take what I wrote in the wrong way. I was just showing a comparison between old tech 4wd and modern offerings. I'm (moderately) happy with my Tacoma. It's good and bad points I have mentioned elsewhere. I would not go back to GM, because they lied to me about frame rust, brake line rust and wheel bearing failure (I was the ONLY one it happend to), Ford is out of the picture, as they lie more than GM from past experience and Chrysler was never in the running, again, from past experience. Why buy a Mopar product to ride in when you'll spend most of your time walking and arguing over loopholes in their 'bumper to bumper' warranty.
 
Bojangles said:
prolly didnt know wtf they were, try a belt next time.


wait, half the time those idiots are wearing one.
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Doubt if those safe-space-baggy-britches-wearing snowflakes know what a belt is either! They might have one on but they probly think it's a fashion-statement and not for function.
 
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