Transmission I hate it

Bogunn said:
I agree 100% that the 5 speed with the 4.0 liter is a much better drivetrain than the current. The Atkinson cycle 3.5 hasn’t had a chance to prove it’s strength and longevity yet so I can’t make a solid judgement on it.
The transmission is the problem with the current drivetrain and it’s the shift points that seem to be the main issue.
I have a Mopar with a 9 speed tranny and a 3.2 liter 6 cylinder. It runs as smooth as anything I’ve owned and shifts seamlessly while getting 27-28mpg. It isn’t the amount of gears, it’s the shift points.
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You do realize we're talking about the same thing basically , my contention is with the somewhat narrow power band of the v6 it's naive to expect a 6 speed auto to behave "normally" , now you mention shift points , by way of ECT (or similar, doesn't even have to be a toyota) What that does is change duration (lengthen) between shifts, assuming it's taking out (overriding) auto OD giving any available USEABLE power within the band (rpm-/+) so that particular gear can squeeze all useable power within that band (again) until it's ready to upshift again (which it's doubtful it will unless foot is off the gas) ,,,

Which brings us to this point, by using an ECT system (or similar) you've taken away from transmission programing it's auto-detect load/rpm/throttle pos. that tells it to hunt around playing musical chairs with ALL the gears. It kinda contradicts it's self with the "more gears the better", if this were true, why does it have to take out 3 speeds in order to operate "normal" under a "normal load"

Translation, the 6 speed auto has to return it's self to older 4-5 speed autos to do the same job they were already doing, thats the thing, rarely heard any bitching about early 2nd gen trans, auto or manual....

IMO only large diesels need multi speed transmissions (in excess of 5 forward gears)...
 
4wd said:
You do realize we're talking about the same thing basically , my contention is with the somewhat narrow power band of the v6 it's naive to expect a 6 speed auto to behave "normally" , now you mention shift points , by way of ECT (or similar, doesn't even have to be a toyota) What that does is change duration (lengthen) between shifts, assuming it's taking out (overriding) auto OD giving any available USEABLE power within the band (rpm-/+) so that particular gear can squeeze all useable power within that band (again) until it's ready to upshift again (which it's doubtful it will unless foot is off the gas) ,,,

Which brings us to this point, by using an ECT system (or similar) you've taken away from transmission programing it's auto-detect load/rpm/throttle pos. that tells it to hunt around playing musical chairs with ALL the gears. It kinda contradicts it's self with the "more gears the better", if this were true, why does it have to take out 3 speeds in order to operate "normal" under a "normal load"

Translation, the 6 speed auto has to return it's self to older 4-5 speed autos to do the same job they were already doing, thats the thing, rarely heard any bitching about early 2nd gen trans, auto or manual....

IMO only large diesels need multi speed transmissions (in excess of 5 forward gears)...
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I want more revers gears :(
 
4wd said:


You do realize we're talking about the same thing basically , my contention is with the somewhat narrow power band of the v6 it's naive to expect a 6 speed auto to behave "normally" , now you mention shift points , by way of ECT (or similar, doesn't even have to be a toyota) What that does is change duration (lengthen) between shifts, assuming it's taking out (overriding) auto OD giving any available USEABLE power within the band (rpm-/+) so that particular gear can squeeze all useable power within that band (again) until it's ready to upshift again (which it's doubtful it will unless foot is off the gas) ,,,

Which brings us to this point, by using an ECT system (or similar) you've taken away from transmission programing it's auto-detect load/rpm/throttle pos. that tells it to hunt around playing musical chairs with ALL the gears. It kinda contradicts it's self with the "more gears the better", if this were true, why does it have to take out 3 speeds in order to operate "normal" under a "normal load"

Translation, the 6 speed auto has to return it's self to older 4-5 speed autos to do the same job they were already doing, thats the thing, rarely heard any bitching about early 2nd gen trans, auto or manual....

IMO only large diesels need multi speed transmissions (in excess of 5 forward gears)...
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Yes I do realize we’re talking about the same thing basically. Lol. I was pretty much agreeing with you in an extended post.
But sadly since we are stuck with the emission criteria and forcibly programmed low shift points the more forward gears the better. It’s crazy to have 9 forward gears to do what 5 or even 4 can do. But it is what it is. With the way things are you can get up to speed more efficiently with lower shift points and better mileage with more forward gears.
Toyota screwed up by throwing a 6 speed in a truck with ridiculously low shift settings. Basically forcing the driver to put their foot in it or turn on ECT to do what it should have already been doing to begin with.
If they had thrown a 9 speed automatic in (or programmed better shift points) there wouldn’t even be posts about this on any forum.
It all boils down to EPA regs that are ridiculous and the battle to squeeze more MPG out so they can compete for “best in class” over the other midsizes. It won’t get any better honestly because Ford is back in the midsize game and Nissan is redesigning the Frontier. More competition for MPG.
I wish we could go back to the older transmissions. I never dreamed I’d see a 6 speed. Let alone a 9 speed.
 
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You do realize we're talking about the same thing basically , my contention is with the somewhat narrow power band of the v6 it's naive to expect a 6 speed auto to behave "normally" , now you mention shift points , by way of ECT (or similar, doesn't even have to be a toyota) What that does is change duration (lengthen) between shifts, assuming it's taking out (overriding) auto OD giving any available USEABLE power within the band (rpm-/+) so that particular gear can squeeze all useable power within that band (again) until it's ready to upshift again (which it's doubtful it will unless foot is off the gas) ,,,

Which brings us to this point, by using an ECT system (or similar) you've taken away from transmission programing it's auto-detect load/rpm/throttle pos. that tells it to hunt around playing musical chairs with ALL the gears. It kinda contradicts it's self with the "more gears the better", if this were true, why does it have to take out 3 speeds in order to operate "normal" under a "normal load"

Translation, the 6 speed auto has to return it's self to older 4-5 speed autos to do the same job they were already doing, thats the thing, rarely heard any bitching about early 2nd gen trans, auto or manual....

IMO only large diesels need multi speed transmissions (in excess of 5 forward gears)...
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Someone get this man a fritter so he’ll be happy again!! Where’s Bojangles when you need him?
 
4wd said:
You do realize we're talking about the same thing basically , my contention is with the somewhat narrow power band of the v6 it's naive to expect a 6 speed auto to behave "normally" , now you mention shift points , by way of ECT (or similar, doesn't even have to be a toyota) What that does is change duration (lengthen) between shifts, assuming it's taking out (overriding) auto OD giving any available USEABLE power within the band (rpm-/+) so that particular gear can squeeze all useable power within that band (again) until it's ready to upshift again (which it's doubtful it will unless foot is off the gas) ,,,

Which brings us to this point, by using an ECT system (or similar) you've taken away from transmission programing it's auto-detect load/rpm/throttle pos. that tells it to hunt around playing musical chairs with ALL the gears. It kinda contradicts it's self with the "more gears the better", if this were true, why does it have to take out 3 speeds in order to operate "normal" under a "normal load"

Translation, the 6 speed auto has to return it's self to older 4-5 speed autos to do the same job they were already doing, thats the thing, rarely heard any bitching about early 2nd gen trans, auto or manual....

IMO only large diesels need multi speed transmissions (in excess of 5 forward gears)...
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Bogunn said:
Yes I do realize we’re talking about the same thing basically. Lol. I was pretty much agreeing with you in an extended post.
But sadly since we are stuck with the emission criteria and forcibly programmed low shift points the more forward gears the better. It’s crazy to have 9 forward gears to do what 5 or even 4 can do. But it is what it is. With the way things are you can get up to speed more efficiently with lower shift points and better mileage with more forward gears.
Toyota screwed up by throwing a 6 speed in a truck with ridiculously low shift settings. Basically forcing the driver to put their foot in it or turn on ECT to do what it should have already been doing to begin with.
If they had thrown a 9 speed automatic in (or programmed better shift points) there wouldn’t even be posts about this on any forum.
It all boils down to EPA regs that are ridiculous and the battle to squeeze more MPG out so they can compete for “best in class” over the other midsizes. It won’t get any better honestly because Ford is back in the midsize game and Nissan is redesigning the Frontier. More competition for MPG.
I wish we could go back to the older transmissions. I never dreamed I’d see a 6 speed. Let alone a 9 speed.
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How many words do we need to use to say the turd gen tranny blows shifting sticks? :D
 
I noticed by pushing the ext pwr button, which I hope you have changed the shift points. It's a little better at shifting but you lose mpg. Best bet is to get a pedal commander
 
I have the shift sense pro piece, it made a big difference. Sometimes though I run it in drive with ETC engaged. Or just drive. It’s like having a bunch of different set ups for different driving. If it’s going to be relatively flat, I’ll just use it in drive as from the factory. Flat but I might want to get on it and have more response, drive with ETC. Hilly and it’s into the shift sense for sure. I’ve seen no need for shift sense and ETC. Sport mode by itself, staying tight in traffic so the gearing is right there when I want it. I will say though, the next truck will probably be back to a manual for me.
 
4wd said:
Don't get too warm & fuzzy over the 6 spd, it has it's own set of gremlins but yeah at least you can select the gear you want/need...
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Yeah, took my 2nd gen to a transmission place one time and they said the 6 spd tacomas were one of the only trannys they refused to work on
 
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